Formidable tasks, both - defeating Islam and planning this defeat, in writing.

I see it more like a maintenance task than a once-for-posterity action.
Islam had been defeated numerous times, bit like rats or roaches multiplying in damp dark tunnels of civilization, they grow their armies again and again.
And again and again they have to be eradicated.

Physically, as well as ideologically.

Does this mean all extant Muslims no longer subscribing to their religious beliefs, or just defeating political forms. Would you also like to defeat Christianity (and have all believers switch to some variety of Enlightenment rationalism)? Is this a matter of political activism or education?

The first step is to acknowledge that Islam is something that needs defeating.

It is a grade A supremacist ideology, it needs to be opposed and eliminated like all the others past of it’s ilk, but this is an issue that even the most liberal of liberalists cannot seem to fathom, including a lot of the Samizdata mob.

The spirit of liberalism does not accommodate supremacy, it mercilessly wipes it from the face of the earth, liberal thought doesn’t flower spontaneously within oppressive societies to love bomb and group hug it’s way to fluffy bunny utopia, it is a hard fought bloody exercise that has been repeated time and again in history to varying results.

It all starts with identifying the enemy, the thing that stops liberalism, and an ideology that controls every aspect of your life right down to which hand you wipe your bottom with is a great candidate.

Unfortunately just getting this to the point of “something to be defeated” is going to be nigh in impossible with the hoards of relativists out there, see cerebus post above for a fine example.

Good Luck.

Apologies for the apostrophe gremlin.

Ian

It’s “hordes.”

Hoards is what we should be doing with tinned food and gold.

In the spirit of relativism, since “ an ideology that controls every aspect of your life right down to which hand you wipe your bottom “ is the problem I assume you favour defeating Orthodox Judaism. You should give Ahmadinejad a call.

To answer one of the cerebus questions:

Does this mean all extant Muslims no longer subscribing to their religious beliefs, or just defeating political forms?

Not all extant Muslims, but I would like to see a big flow out of believing in Islam.  I want to put all Muslims on the intellectual and moral defensive, where I think they all belong.

And I would like the rest of the world not to be in any way afraid of them.  That way, when a Muslim commits an outrage, he would be dealt with fearlessly.  This is not the case now.

If I had wanted merely the defeat of the “political forms” of Islam, I would have said, as many others do say, something like: “Defeating Islamism”, or Defeating Islamic “extremism”.

It is my belief that Islam itself is extreme, and if you are taking it seriously, very political.  For as long as lots of Muslims say that the Koran etc, is the unchallengeable word of Allah, many (especially young males) will take it seriously.  Islam itself is accordingly the enemy.

I would also like a world in which the overwhelming majority of Muslims believe, at the very least, that “now is not the time” for the more belligerent methods demanded by the Koran.  And for them to hand over to the criminal justice system any who prove by their deeds that they disagree.

Again, not what happens now.

That’ll do for now.

Antoine, perhaps the relativists needs to be hoarded away somewhere, together with their pathetic straw man arguments (c.f. cerebus second post).

Thanks for the reply Brian. I’m currently outsourcing my opinions on this issue to Turkish-resident Claire Berlinski (no leftist she). This dialogue provides some interesting counterpoint to your belief that Islam is intrinsically extreme and political.

http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/31711

Cerebus

Thanks for this further comment and link.  I’m busy now but will follow it up later.

To answer another of your questions, about Orthodox Judaism, I do not see any need to put similar pressure on them, for two interelated reasons.

One, there are nothing like as many of them.  Therefore, however belligerent and controlling their beliefs, they pose no huge disruptive threat to the rest of the world.

Two, they preside over a regime of rigorous freedom of association.  You can join if you want to, which means they then tell you how to wipe your bottom.  Fair enough.  You can also leave if you want to.  If you are raised Orthodox Jewish, and if you do then leave, nobody will then even threaten to murder you.

Orthodox Judaism actually strikes me as a model of what the rest of us should try to turn Islam into, although on a rather bigger scale (albeit massively smaller than Islam is now). That is pretty much what I mean by “defeating” Islam.